Soca Chronicles
Soca Chronicles
Conversational debate: Who is the GOAT of Soca?
We dive into the controversial debate of who deserves the title of Soca's GOAT and whether carnival culture has become too commercialized.
• DJ Sharnz shares the success of her recent "Brawlin" event in London with tickets for the July 11th follow-up event dropping May 30th
• Highlights from Ibiza Soca Festival in Malta, featuring performances by Kes, Skinny Fabulous, Ridge, and other top Soca artists
• Song of the month: "Attack" by Jus Jay and Jagwa De Champ
• In-depth discussion with guests Bramble and Chanty about criteria for crowning Soca's greatest artist
• Exploration of carnival's evolution, with concerns about rising costs and the balance between commercial interests and cultural preservation
• Discussion about private jump events versus traditional carnival experiences
Tickets for the next Trident London "Brawlin" event on July 11th go on sale May 30th at 6 PM. Visit www.tridentldn.com to purchase.
Link to Ramon G's mix.
Welcome to the Soca Chronicles. Soca Chronicles with Sharns and RKO.
Speaker 2:Welcome to the 45th episode of Soca Chronicles, the podcast that brings you everything Soca. I am RKO and I'm digitally sitting next to the one and only Sharns.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, jesus Christ, get out of my head, man. I'm just sitting here waiting on my phone while you do this. Yo, yo yo, you know. Anyway, even though I said I am daz digitally sitting next to sharns, um, most of this episode will be me physically sitting next to sharns because we have recorded a little studio sesh in london town exactly because we were in town anyway for a certain event that was organized by a certain DJ and perhaps that certain DJ wants to talk about that certain event a bit more.
Speaker 3:Which DJ are we talking about?
Speaker 2:It's DJ Kai.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, so we didn't get him in as a guest.
Speaker 2:So we're moving on to the next topic. Obviously it'sj sharns with her event brawling. Dj sharns, you tell me how it went? Akio, you're here. It was epic. It was epic. I mean I. I need to hear from the organizer, though, how it went, but as a guest, I loved it. It felt like I was outside since a long time. Oh yeah, yeah, we sheltered down. It was yeah definitely.
Speaker 3:I mean, it was a great turnout yeah, um yeah, I. I mean, I was stressed throughout the whole beginning, but eventually I was able to relax. You know, luckily I had the help of rko and some other good friends. To you know, just try and take the stress off of me a little bit, because anybody who knows anything about organizing events knows that it is one of the most stressful things that you will deal with in your life. Yeah, I mean yes yes, yes, life definitely there we go, but, guys, it was epic.
Speaker 3:Thank you to everyone that turned up. The next one is on july 11th. The tickets go on sale the day that this episode drops, the 30th of may, at 6 pm. Just click the link or follow the link wwwtridentldncom, and there you will be able to purchase your tickets from eventbrite. So I will say it one more time if you missed out on the first one in april, I'll let you off, but if you miss this next one in july, never talk to me again, never in your life even if you never started talking to you.
Speaker 2:Love it, love it, no, but honestly it was a good, good event. So make sure you join the next one. I need to see if I can fly to london again, because then we might get another studio sesh yes, that would be fantastic, but of course, if you can't make it archaea, there's no pressure.
Speaker 3:You made it to the inception Of Brawling, so you forever get a pass.
Speaker 1:You never have to attend Another one in your life.
Speaker 5:Wow, if you can't.
Speaker 3:If you can't you have a pass? You're good.
Speaker 1:Everyone else.
Speaker 3:They're not good.
Speaker 2:They're not good, love it. Well, yeah, man, I think also there's a lot of pictures online, right, if people want to get a feeling for the vibes there we go.
Speaker 3:The pictures are on facebook. There are also video clips on the trident london instagram. So that's trident t-r-i-d-e-n-t-l-d-n on instagram. Go check it out. Yeah, do what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 2:Do the right thing yeah, man, then it's time to move on to another successful event, that's by the time of we are recording. This just ended. As usual, I wasn't there, but a certain international dj definitely was oh, for goodness sake, rkj dj kai I'm kidding sharon, tell us about isf, ibiza soca festival, which wasn't in ibiza yes, yes.
Speaker 3:So I'm gonna keep this brief because you know, when I'm excited about things, I can talk more than rko and that is saying something you know I'm saying, so let me keep it brief ISF aka IB, for Soka Festival, which is on tour for the second year.
Speaker 3:So last year it went to Malta for the first time. This year it was back in Malta. Your girl, dj Shans, was booked again for this year. I went down and, oh my goodness, I had the time of my life. I had to leave early, though. I left the day that kes performed and I missed his performance and I was so upset about it. But I left for a good cause because, yeah, barbados is calling me and by the time this episode drops I'll be back from barbados and by the time this episode drops, I'll be back from Barbados.
Speaker 2:Oh my days.
Speaker 3:But yeah, my highlight of ISF, I would say the Juve, was absolutely epic, absolutely epic. Ridge performed and you know Bouillon is running the world right now Ridge performed 100%. Dash performed as well, real bad man Vibes King performed A previous guest of ours, yep, and I think it was just those three who performed. But yep, juve was epic. The pool party was epic as well. The venue was absolutely amazing.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Absolutely amazing Epic epic, epic epic. There were two pool parties actually. The first pool party, it pissed it down with rain the whole day, so we had to really yeah, we had to improvise, so I turned up in my bikini well, well well and it was like my favorite bikini as well. And then the other pool party was the following day. I was like I just wasted a whole outfit. I could have worn it at like the proper pool party. I was so upset. But here we are.
Speaker 2:I cannot relate.
Speaker 3:So Skinny Fabulous was there. Obviously, kes was there, as I said. Dash Ridge Lyrical was there. I got to meet with Lyrical. I got to meet with Skinny, had a small, small conversation with both of them. Obviously, I got to meet Ridge and I will post a little video that Ridge made where he's Bigging me up. I got to post that on my Instagram.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, if you missed ISF, do not make the same mistake next year. Like the vibes are unmatched and it's like everybody is just there to have a good time, like literally. I've made so many new connections, I've made new fans. Oh bro, epic trip and I'm so glad that I I made new fans.
Speaker 3:Oh bro, epic trip and I'm so glad that I went, and big up to the promoters of ISF for bringing me through again this year. I appreciate it. The support that I got from the other DJs there as well is unmatched, bro. Imagine me I was up hosting bro. I was on a stage hosting me. I can't host to save my life, but I was on a stage hosting Me. I can't host to save my life, but I was on the stage Like walking up my waist and ting Like who. Who was that? Clearly it was not me. That was my alter ego, malcolm.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, malcolm. Oh my god, I haven't seen Malcolm in a while.
Speaker 3:Mate the rum told me I was a big dancer. I was literally literally, but yeah, it was great, it was great. So that is one one that I highly recommend. Ib Fusoka festival for sure it happens around the same time in May, like around my birthday, uh, yeah it's a good thing to celebrate your birthday on you know 100 best birthday ever yeah, well, anyway, yeah, there we go and I did say that I was gonna keep it short, so that is me keeping it short fair enough.
Speaker 2:This is true because we do have a packed episode this month. So I say we will move to our very important topic, which is the song of the month.
Speaker 3:Oh, and after we'll move to our very important discussion oh yes this is the song of the month this month song of the month is a new one that has been dropped for crop over. It is called attack by josh jay and jaguar the Champ. No long talking RKO. Play the tune let's go.
Speaker 4:Attack. Girl lost the attack. The way how you jiggle and start to push back. I can circle your bumper like a racetrack Attack. Lost the attack. Attack girl. Lost the attack. You ready for the bash man? We'll bend up your back. I reverse the thing. Girl call the sack. Look, girl, you asking for trouble. You coming for the shot. Take a nigga, make you bubble. Look, girl, you asking for trouble. The way you shake your bumper. Just make me see doubles. I want you wiggle like a fish out of water now been over time to get slaughtered and like a anchor, sink your back and I can deal with that Cause you ready to attack. Lost the attack. Attack girl. Lost the attack. The way how you jiggle and start to push back. I can circle your bumper like a racetrack Attack. Lost the attack. Attack. Girl lost the attack. Attack girl, lost the attack. You ready for the Bashman With a nut in your back. I reverse it in. Girl Call this a.
Speaker 1:Soca Chronicles, that was.
Speaker 2:Jack1JustJ With Attack. And there is so much new music Loading right now, so if you want To get up to date, go to your SoundCloud Mixcloud. Wherever you get your music from, find these mixes. Jell will release mixes. There's all kinds of mixes. Get up to date because the new season is calling and it's good music, so let's go.
Speaker 3:But let me just drop one thing in. If you want to hear the latest crop over releases, they're all dropping thick and fast. Now. Ramon G, our good friend Ramon G, who we should really get on this podcast at some point.
Speaker 2:We should actually let's make it happen.
Speaker 3:Let's make something happen.
Speaker 2:Let's make something happen.
Speaker 3:Let's make something happen, but yeah, Ramon G recently dropped his crop over mix. A snippet of what's been dropped so far. Yeah, so what we will do is we will link it in the description so you can just click it and go to it.
Speaker 2:If not, I guess you can go to soundcloud and type in ramon g, maybe find it that way and I think the link, I think the link will be better in it, right, okay, yeah yeah, cool, we'll do that absolutely, and that I think it is time to go into our main segment, which is the discussion that we had, and this discussion is with two of our guests, two of the guests that actually have been somehow involved in this podcast before.
Speaker 2:On one end we have Shanti, who was actually part of one of our very first episodes yes, which was actually part of one of our very first episodes yes, which actually we also mentioned in the discussion when we talked about if whining on other people than your man or your woman is good or bad. Make sure to check that episode out. Actually a very good discussion.
Speaker 3:Oh, it was for sure, which is timeless, by the way.
Speaker 2:And our other guest is Bramble, who is our connoisseur, the crop over, if you want to call it that, and he has done some voice clips for us as well in the past.
Speaker 3:Yep, yep, yep and.
Speaker 2:I will not talk too much about what we're going to talk to, because we're going to discuss it anyway. So I would just say let's get into it.
Speaker 3:Let's go.
Speaker 2:This is Soca chronicles we are here with a new session and not normal digital session, but a live session there we go we have cameras in the building.
Speaker 2:Just wave the camera, please. There we go. People are listening to this. They don't understand what's going on. If you want to understand what's going on, just go to youtube and, you know, watch the episode there. Anyway, we are here with not just charles andKO, but we are here with two additional people who will introduce themselves shortly, and we're going to discuss two topics that I will also unveil a bit later. Let's start with the introduction, though.
Speaker 6:So on my left, my name's Bramble, that's it.
Speaker 5:Fair play.
Speaker 6:Okay, so I've been a Soca fan since, let's say, 2007 2008. I've basically gone crop over it every year since, like 07, 08.
Speaker 5:I'll say 07.
Speaker 3:Obviously, I met Chans in 2014, I think it was 2014.
Speaker 6:I've followed you on Twitter before, yeah, but actually in person Was onans in 2014, I think it was.
Speaker 3:I've followed you on Twitter before, yeah, but actually in person was on.
Speaker 6:Acre.
Speaker 3:Beach? I think no, the Acre Beach 2014.
Speaker 6:Yeah, because it was the year I left before Kuduma Day and you cussed me off. Why would you leave before Kuduma Day?
Speaker 5:And there was no reason to go, so basically.
Speaker 6:I've known Chans for about 11 years. No room for about seven 2018.
Speaker 7:yeah, about seven years time flies, sorry.
Speaker 6:Yeah, that's okay let's not bait up government names people so yeah, and I'm a regular listener of the um the show yeah, I've done a couple of top tens, yeah. Yeah, last few copper yeah, it needs to come off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it needs to come up more often, though, yeah definitely. I think it's, and do not forget that you write very extensive reviews of Cropover yes, I like to read those. Yes, take your time to review there we go all the prices, the best bets, rate it up European, yeah, exactly yeah so obviously I'm starting mine soon by 25, soon for 25, exactly I'm waiting for you to do like an online review, or at least share it with the people them definitely, I think that's the next step.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah definitely needs to be shared can I just add one more thing about bramble? Bramble is literally a crop over connoisseur yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like any road march winner any year, bramble can tell you yeah, they won that year. Literally, you're like an encyclopedia for copper.
Speaker 6:I love it. Why is the review?
Speaker 5:because it's there yeah, this is true this is true.
Speaker 3:You're very knowledgeable and I love that yeah, 100 but, yeah, so welcome bramble and then on sharon's left.
Speaker 2:Right for the viewer, am I right? Oh, you're right. Left for the viewer we have chance.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, so she has been on the podcast before when we had our subject is it okay to wine with somebody else when you're in a relationship? So it was you and your significant other that were on there discussing. So welcome. How are you?
Speaker 7:thank you. Thank you for inviting me back you're welcome. It's nice to have you live like all of us together as well this is so different than doing it online in covid times. Oh yeah, that's. How is so different than doing it online?
Speaker 2:in COVID times. Oh yeah, that's how long we've been doing it already. Yeah, it's really crazy.
Speaker 7:No, but I'm happy to be here, happy to be in London.
Speaker 3:Yeah, lovely, yeah, new outside. Yeah, in the Soca Chronicles studio.
Speaker 1:We're wearing the.
Speaker 7:Soca Chronicles, merch. There we go. Oh, I'm the only one with a gun.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know, ramble, ramble.
Speaker 5:We'll rectify that We'll rectify that soon, don't worry.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, are we?
Speaker 3:ready to get into the discussion, I say we are.
Speaker 2:We have two topics to discuss. The first one Is a controversial one, because we've been Prediscussing this a bit, but I'm excited to have this On camera as well, because it's a very interesting discussion, and the question that we're going to discuss is who is the goat of soka? Oh my god so yeah, studio effects in effect get it yeah, yeah, okay you start.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can give the the, I can keep the ball rolling if that's okay.
Speaker 3:So yeah, studio effects in effect, get it. Yeah, I can start. Yeah, okay, you start.
Speaker 2:I can keep the ball rolling if that's okay. So I think we're going to discuss this. But for me, if I look at, at least recently, who has done the most for the scene? Who has been most in? How is it Not in front but like advertising Sokka, or at least on the forefront is a name that we hear a lot when we ask people. You know who do you want to be in the studio for a day with?
Speaker 3:yeah, yeah, it's marcio montano.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I'm not saying he is the all-time goat of soca, because you can argue you know people before. Uh, marcio montano, in an age that I, you know as a person, don't know much about, but I can name Sparrow. You know people that laid the foundation for Soka. That's a whole different thing like they laid the foundation. So you can argue there absolutely, but at this point in time, marcio Montano, for me Bramble, what do you think?
Speaker 6:if it's hard, because obviously people are patriotic so they're gonna. They're gonna pick an artist from the island, yeah.
Speaker 6:So if you ask a grenadian, they may say, oh, it's from grenada or maybe, yeah, grenada if you ask trini, they could say bungee, they could say double m, also beijing, they could say. They could say rick edwin, yeah, you might even say mike grinder, yeah, yeah. So I think I would say for each island even though that's when you say greatest, it has to be one. But I think there's got to be a greatest for each island, okay, but to be fair if you're not that knowledgeable from the island. Yeah, you like. For instance, I don't really listen to certain islands.
Speaker 6:I'm not gonna say the islands, but I wouldn't say oh, that's the goat of that island, because I'm that knowledgeable of that island okay it makes sense.
Speaker 3:Who do you want to give a go? Which islands you want to give a go?
Speaker 2:obviously barbados, because yeah do you have a name?
Speaker 6:for barbados, I think, little rick, yeah, yeah, fair enough, fair enough. What would you say for trinidad?
Speaker 2:For Barbeadas, I think, lil Rick. Yeah, fair enough, fair enough.
Speaker 6:For Trinidad, then Gotta be Double M or Bungie yeah.
Speaker 1:In my opinion yeah.
Speaker 3:I'll probably lean.
Speaker 6:More towards Double M yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah. But, Bungie's not far behind. No, I hear it, but my argument for that. So obviously Machel is the most Obvious choice, so he has won 11.
Speaker 2:Rojimarch titles.
Speaker 3:He's been on Tiny Desk. I mean he runs the Sokosi. But for me if we talk about GOAT we should kind of talk about who has made it outside of the Sokosi. And for me Machel doesn't have a crossover song that would be played in a commercial party in, let's say, london or whatever around a demographic that's not caribbean yeah, but my counterpart to that would be that's like saying mc hammer is the greatest of all time because he sucks more popular and someone is more consistent I hear it.
Speaker 3:No, I hear it I hear it.
Speaker 6:It's not about who's got the bigger songs, about who's been consistent, is greatest. This is true, not who has the most popular song. I know he hasn't got a popular song at, let's say, a commercial level, but he's got consistent hits this is true he has.
Speaker 3:But the hits are consistent inside the soca scene. That's fine. But to have the consistent hits inside the soca scene, that's not helping the Soca scene to grow because it's only staying within Soca. But we need people that have hits that transcend outside of the Soca scene to help Soca to grow. So, for example, I'm going to throw some names out there. I'm not saying that these people are the GOATs P Tempted to Touch. Yes, it's a one-hit wonder.
Speaker 6:However, I wouldn't call him a one-hit wonder but that's his biggest song Sorry, yeah, that's what I meant.
Speaker 3:But obviously, ru P, you can play that song in a commercial party in London with zero Caribbean people and almost everybody in that party will know that song. Yeah, perfect, almost everybody.
Speaker 6:But does that make him the greatest of all time?
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying. But he has made a massive contribution to soca, so he can be up there, I guess in the talks kind of.
Speaker 2:But I'll bring one argument against that. The people who enjoy that song, if you ask them what genre is it, do they know it's okay.
Speaker 7:Yeah, this is true, probably, or whatever I think that's the thing with like hello from kes. Yeah, because that gets played in so many different parties now as well like in the netherlands, we hear it at almost every club night and it doesn't have to be a soca night even if it's just like you know, caribbean night exactly yeah, and they play it.
Speaker 7:But if you ask people what kind of genre it is, they don't know like in my tour classes I use a lot of soca music and when I ask people so, do you guys know Soca music?
Speaker 5:and they're like no, but if I would put up, like hello.
Speaker 7:They're like oh yeah, I know this song, or you know, like a Marsha Montano song, from a rhythm they know oh yeah, I know this rhythm, but I don't know the artist. So it's like, yeah, I do like what you're trying to say like the artist who brings it outside.
Speaker 6:Your argument is more of who's got the biggest hit, then who's the greatest of all time?
Speaker 3:This is true, but then I'm also thinking of, like, who has helped to propel Soca? But even though you're saying that these people don't know that it is Soca, at least they know a Soca song. Do you know what I'm saying? And there are other songs, like Follow the Leader, that gets played at like every non-Caribbean wedding.
Speaker 7:Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3:Like that song gets played at the Egon.
Speaker 7:To be fair, I didn't know that was Soca. Yeah, that song was always played so I'm from Curacao and at our family parties that song was always played. I did not know that was Soca.
Speaker 6:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7:Until I met you guys Wait.
Speaker 2:Who let the dogs out, isn't he saying in?
Speaker 3:the song I love.
Speaker 2:Soca, I know Wow.
Speaker 6:It couldn't be so more obvious. Oh my god, I'm smart on paper.
Speaker 7:Guys, leave me alone.
Speaker 1:No, no, but I understand, I'm the same.
Speaker 2:It clicks sometimes, so just to finish up what's? Your GOAT nominee.
Speaker 7:Oh, it's gonna be controversial as well, I guess. Oh, can't wait, I like controversial, but you guys know, I mean people that know me know if you're gonna say hollow back, then I'm gonna have an issue with you.
Speaker 2:No, oh god, oh no, oh, I don't know what you're gonna say.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because I was about to say, because you said people who know, me know and I think oh my god, I don't know her. I don't know as well as I want to hear the name I know who you're going to say and it the name is three letters yeah, three letters.
Speaker 2:And you just mentioned about it already, the song that's played. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Kez. There we go, kez. Why would you say Kez? He's hot.
Speaker 6:So that's the criteria for being a coach.
Speaker 1:Literally.
Speaker 2:You know what? What you're saying?
Speaker 6:is actually Hitting the point of the discussion so far.
Speaker 2:So what's the criteria Exactly? What is the definition of the coach?
Speaker 7:I honestly wanted to ask that what's the definition that we're taking for this discussion? But then I was like, is that too serious?
Speaker 3:No, but I guess there could be. I guess the definition of goat would depend on each individual person. I don't think there's one main criteria, so it's just based on your criteria.
Speaker 7:Yeah. Not just hotness, but actually hold on. What is everyone's criteria? Sorry to cut you off, no, no worries, no worries. Um, I think for me, um, because I'm not the biggest soca connoisseur here at the table um, for me it has to be like songs that just bring vibes the moment. I like put it on vibes. Um, performance wise, um, you know, the same way you basically said about mushroom town doing tiny desk, like I saw Cass perform on to answer face the last year. That was amazing.
Speaker 5:I totally forgot my boyfriend, I was there, I was on that stage and it was amazing.
Speaker 7:So, um yeah, that's why I actually think about that. Yeah, because he brings the music Also like Outside of the set, that's.
Speaker 1:Fair. That's what I thought about, but.
Speaker 7:I do Like Mushroom Town Is also a good one, though.
Speaker 2:He brings vibes, too, outside of the set. Yeah, no, he does, and that.
Speaker 7:Tiny Desk concert. That was amazing oh.
Speaker 3:I loved it. I loved it, I was screaming.
Speaker 7:In my house.
Speaker 2:Dancing. Okay, that's good because of the music, right yeah, yeah, yeah, like screaming that is a goat move because it's like 100%.
Speaker 6:I agree with that, because that's a like even when, which artist went on the breakfast club? Was it Alison Hines?
Speaker 3:maybe yeah no, I think it was Alison, yeah.
Speaker 6:I think it was Alison Hines, you know like when you think of goats, it's like they're the ones that get pushed to do yeah so it's true, we got a couple of criteria then right.
Speaker 2:So we have uh reach of the songs that they make. So are they international and are they being played like years later? We have uh the islands. How related to the island are they? Because you have per island, you have a whole different oh, genre of soca that you know.
Speaker 6:Obviously they've got to be popular. Yeah, I think level consistency they've got to bring hits you can't go five years with no hits no, yeah, you can't you can't be a goat and you've gone five years in a row without a hit. No, exactly, yeah, yeah we have performance.
Speaker 2:How they? Yeah, they have a good performance, but then also I want to argue what do they do for the up-and-coming soka scene? So we've've discussed, like Corbin Dubois, for example, that has like a whole program to get new Soca artists.
Speaker 3:What's it called Sput?
Speaker 6:Yeah, s-p-u-t. I think Corbin's very underrated, by the way.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, very underrated, he oof, yeah, every year he brings like, yeah, regime, regime, yeah, very good, have I listened to it? I don't listen to that. If you hear it, you probably know yeah, but that's somehow always the case with carolyn, like he.
Speaker 2:He brings like good music out, but then he's always overshadowed by marshall or by uh bungee. Is this the curse of being trini, I guess? Definitely how can you outshine a marshall?
Speaker 5:you know no, and also with a production team of his behind him, that's also the thing like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah whereas obviously a co-win.
Speaker 6:A lot of these songs he's either co-produces or reduces himself, yeah, whereas if you're like bungee and double m, they've got, they've got a team of producers, obviously they're gonna get the best beats that's the thing, because how many times, like in the last even year, have we had people that said, oh yeah, I worked on the Marshall?
Speaker 1:Montana project. And, oh yeah, I was making this beat for my show or for Bungie or whatever like they can get it from everywhere they want yeah anywhere, but that's also a goat.
Speaker 6:All the producers wanna give you the best songs exactly.
Speaker 3:See, for me, I definitely think within the soca scene, macho montano is is the goat of soca. He's probably got the most hits within the scene and he is consistent. Obviously he took that little break when he was studying. Yeah, he came back he won the chutney, the chutneys and the road march.
Speaker 3:So that's it so that for me is a goat, but I in my head I'm like if you are supposed to be the best thing that we have in soca, why do you not have songs that are commercial, that are played on a radio station in like the uk or whatever?
Speaker 2:oh, let me ask you this then uh, how many songs of pipes cartel are being played on a normal radio station loads in the netherlands?
Speaker 5:oh, let me, let me see yeah, well, the netherlands is different, but yeah, in like worldwide.
Speaker 3:I mean like yeah, but in parties in the in the netherlands, you'll get clocks. Clocks will get played.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but we're talking about music now right, so like yeah, rupee is being played at any station at any time I'm like what level of other genre has it like?
Speaker 5:even like bad bunny is one of the the, but like reggaeton that doesn't have like a song that is being played there's something you know what I mean, like no uh, there's little genre, elevating songs of soca, I guess, and yeah but is that a criteria for a goat?
Speaker 3:not necessarily, but from how I look at it, if you are the goat, the best thing that genre has to offer yeah, you should have songs that have crossed over. Do you see what I'm saying? Because if you think about the best thing in afro beats, let's say I don't know, burner boy or whisky they have songs that get played in multiple scenes.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's true, but that was a transformation. It has to do with the hype as well, because I've witnessed that, like transformation from afro beats to just being music from nigeria or from like africa in general yeah to the most popular genre of the world all of a sudden, like that's that's. That is a special case in my opinion I understand what you're saying, but like every song can play on the radio right now, any african song which is amazing no, I hear it, but even Dancehall, dancehall.
Speaker 3:They have more songs that have crossed over into the commercial scene than Soca like look at the streams. Just look at the streams. If you look at the streams on Soca songs, it's way lower than like a popular Dancehall song on but there's a difference in scale of the genre, popularity as well, of course.
Speaker 2:I mean that's it.
Speaker 3:No, I get that, but something needs to be done about that. Yeah, yeah is it?
Speaker 2:is it more popular songs or is it the way we? You know, we get back to this discussion every single time yeah but like a song is being promoted for a season and then it's on to the next five albums yeah, that's, that's so like if you look at that bunny, he released an album after I don't know how many years and it bangs.
Speaker 2:And that's so like. If you look at Bad Bunny, he released an album after I don't know how many years and it banged. And that's now what he's going to be doing for the rest of the next five years yeah. So that's a different style.
Speaker 3:No, I hear it, that's also part of the culture, exactly.
Speaker 2:Which is fine because it is seasonal, like, let's be honest.
Speaker 3:No, but there there are carnivals throughout the whole year, though, so it's not fine, it's not fine at all.
Speaker 7:But then you come back basically to what Bramble said, because there's so many carnivals, but they're different countries. So then again it's from that island the biggest song, and they focus on that. So how?
Speaker 6:Yeah, it's a very rare song Carries from. Let's say there's a song in Dominica.
Speaker 5:It's going to carry on the whole year, exactly, not?
Speaker 6:yeah, how many songs have carried from crop over all the way back to the next year.
Speaker 2:Like Miami is the best example, because in Miami all these songs are going to be playing. If your songs are, big.
Speaker 6:They'll be big in Miami and then it will cross over to Trinidad, like if you're outside Trinidad. For instance, what was the Problem? Child song that was big, carnival Jumbie that was big in Vinci.
Speaker 5:Then it carried to Miami and they were playing it in Trinidad.
Speaker 1:But then after Trinidad it's gone, and this is what I'm saying. Not gone, but it's like it's died down a bit.
Speaker 5:But that's still big because, it's like it's dominated free.
Speaker 6:Obviously it's dominated Notting Hill and Labour Day.
Speaker 2:Let me ask you this what other genre quantifies this music as a year? So we say, oh, there's 2023.
Speaker 5:Soca. Oh, there's 2025 Soca.
Speaker 6:Why do we do it? Because it's because because you've got if you got, let's say, you got um spice mass this year the really the way. The reason why they do it is because it's because obviously you've got monarchs and that's why you've got to do it each year, because it's like you have to qualify for, say, if it is you're going to qualify for the carnival in trinidad, you, you got. It's a certain time period where the song could be. It can't be over like a year yeah, that's why they put yeah a year on it but I like that it says 2025.
Speaker 2:yeah, it's easy for us to put it in a box you know yeah, but then it also means that if it's 2027 and somebody is playing something labeled 20 to 25 like, oh it's old, you know, know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But will that happen for all those dancehall hits that are like cross-genre? Will that happen for Bad Bunny in five years? Oh, that's 20, 23, bad Bunny, what are we doing here? It's not happening so it's also a bit self-made, I feel sometimes, yeah, self-imposed self-imposed.
Speaker 7:I was just thinking about that. We do that in curacao as well and in aruba. Yeah, like it's like a carnival thing isn't it the moment you're like crowning a monarch. That's when you're just like one year, yeah, posting it, and then you're on to the next. But yeah, I feel like in in curacao, but I I don't really feel like we label it like oh, that's like a tumba from 2025, but maybe that's like.
Speaker 2:That's how I see it, but but it also kind of makes sense, right because when is the best time for mushroom on time to make money or for uh lava man to make money? Lava man is not going to put his a game out during miami. He's going to do that two months or one month before uh spice mass yeah, because why?
Speaker 5:why would if he doesn't?
Speaker 2:it's just robbing his own wallet in the end. Like he wants to get the most amount of place, the most amount of gigs.
Speaker 5:In country at least.
Speaker 6:He wants to win.
Speaker 2:Because that's going to Bring him money. And then start going on tour. In other islands and if he wins, then he has Exactly, then he has more, like he doesn't even need to win If he's got a big get booked.
Speaker 3:That holiday problem child yeah that carried the whole year, literally, and what's?
Speaker 2:what is the best commercial for your song than having an event during carnival?
Speaker 6:pop off because of yourself yeah if you release it three months after, there's not gonna be an event like carnival popping off like that so yeah, like I agree, we need to not make it seasonal but no, but it's always gonna be seasonal because the way it's structured, exactly yeah and that needs to change somehow.
Speaker 2:If we can change the structure, we can also elect the goats coming back to, or we use the structure to like I don't know, because you can't kill the structure and do that, no, but because of the carnival.
Speaker 6:But if you use it, yeah to then still elect the goat yeah, no, but if it wasn't seasonal, then you wouldn't have to keep bringing hits every year. That's the thing that's, so that that keeps the element of no, but you had it was good in 24. You got to go again 25.
Speaker 2:because bringing out an album for example in in the genre is like it's, it's an extra, like nobody cares if. If nyla brings out an album, it's like oh well, you collected all your songs over the last two years, you put in an album and you had one more song that didn't actually pick off yeah, because they take off.
Speaker 6:It's a good thing. The bad thing because, obviously, if you had like eight good songs in one year, that's a lot they're not gonna release. That's too many because it's like you're trying to say you want. You want something for the next year maybe, but I've heard something I've done that they've made like eight songs one year. They've released four and then released the next four the next year, really and that's proof of what I'm saying, because why would like would Bad Bunny do that? Why would you release eight good songs in one year?
Speaker 2:because it's seasonal. That's why you don't do it.
Speaker 6:But as soon as it's not, seasonal good music out and you want to win.
Speaker 3:You want to win road march, yeah yeah, so obviously you're going to drop as many songs as possible, hoping that at least one of them yeah but no you don't want to release
Speaker 3:all of them, because yeah no, I hear it, but look at problem child. How many songs does he release? He releases like 10 songs per day. It's actually insane how many songs he releases always I even commented one time saying I cannot keep up. I cannot keep up with the sheer number of songs he releases but he's like he's on all the rhythms though this is true, but I like his songs.
Speaker 2:That's the thing, so I'm always excited to hear a new problem, but so we're talking about like seasonal thing every season.
Speaker 7:You know, what I do really love about it being seasonal is that I think it makes the artist like we need to do something, makes them creative and yeah they go for it like there's so many songs, and I do love that, though yeah, like every year you have so many songs, yeah. And then sometimes I think, oh, I've listened to all the songs of the year and then you guys call me the song and I'm like that was not on my playlist. Where did that?
Speaker 7:come from so that is definitely something that makes Sokka totally different than all the other genres the amount of music that comes out.
Speaker 2:But actually that's a good point because that also makes maybe the little staircase to get into Sokka a bit high. Because if you don't have the time like some people don't have time to just keep up with all the Sokka, but they are interested in it, yeah. But like, if you're interested in have time to just keep up with all the Sokka, but they are interested in it, yeah. But like if you're interested in Sokka and you hear all your other Sokka heads talking about all new music every single day.
Speaker 7:you're like wait what it's overwhelming.
Speaker 2:It is overwhelming and again like if I like reggaeton, I just download a reggaeton playlist and that's probably going to be valid for a good amount of months. Yeah, amount of months. Yeah, you know it's not going to be, oh, actually no, now we're in spice man.
Speaker 6:So yeah, we do job now.
Speaker 5:Oh okay, I'm still in training yeah, your season's over now yeah, literally next and I agree, because I think we like it, because, yeah, I cannot get enough soca in my life, like I need this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm addicted. I need my friends.
Speaker 6:That's why sometimes, I do feel for the djs because it's like some people are like oh, they always play the same songs. I'm like, if they've got three, if you get 300 songs from each island, how are you going to play all the songs? Yeah, like, if you're based in the US, let's say you're based in the US.
Speaker 2:UK all the. You're gonna get all the songs from a lot of the islands. Yeah, it's hard and that's true, and we discussed this as well in the podcast about djs having like a role into making it like bring up the unknown soca to the masters.
Speaker 6:But I agree, like you have to. You've got to be kind of known in your country first. Yeah, yeah, because someone like a dj in the uk how?
Speaker 1:are they gonna know, even if you?
Speaker 2:feel. Well, I wouldn't say how would they know, but they're gonna play the names. They going to know, even if you fill a whole set. I wouldn't say how would they know, but they're going to play the names. They kind of know that's it, because even if you play a whole set without, like people knowing the music, it's not going to really pop off. Then the promoters are going to cost you out. No, this is true, but we have discussed this before.
Speaker 3:So, obviously, yes, djs get a lot of music. There's a lot of it. But all you need to do as a dj, maybe every year, pick I don't know five songs, new songs that you're going to champion and you're going to play those in every set, and you'd have to play them all in a row so you can play, let's say, like three hits or something, and then drop in an unknown song. Yeah, but then that song, as we've discussed before on the podcast that song needs to be hyped, hyped, hyped, like mad school has a new song yes, and obviously, when nitro's um hosting for me, yeah, he will make me stop.
Speaker 3:Introduce the song. This is one of the baddest songs that's come out. Brand new, listen to it. Boom, I'll play it. And then he'll be like, pull it up. So I'll pull it up, yeah, and then he'll get, he'll instruct them To do something. So if it's a song when they can like Run to the bar or wave their hands or point or something, he'll do that To kind of Hype up the song a bit. And then, boom, I'll play a few more songs that are known and then throw in Another unknown one. But just do it. That way is. I just want to show this party and done. I just want the crowd to constantly be what, what, what, moving the whole time, because like I cannot blame those djs because it's a business.
Speaker 3:It's a business.
Speaker 2:No, I hear it they, they need the money. They are asked to play and they're asked to play a certain style when they do it and they go home and they have made money and that's it. No, I hear it. I also really appreciate what you're doing and I'm doing it because that's bringing the culture up you.
Speaker 3:No, but a lot of people that go to parties complain that DJs play the same songs. They actually want to hear the new music. Yeah, so you'd have to play a whole set of new music, but throw some songs in there. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:I would say Basically they just don't want to hear the same 20 songs every single time they go out.
Speaker 3:Which they do yeah exactly Because that they do? Yeah, exactly because that's what djs want. But then the crowd are to blame as well, because a lot of the time the crowd will hear the same song five times and they will react the same way each time they've heard that song, so it's just like if they started standing up and not dancing. Let's say they're like.
Speaker 6:You know how people boycott palance and go on their knee or whatever they do, yeah, but you see, palance, no disrespect, I wasn't a fan of the song when it came out, but that song is massive.
Speaker 3:That is a massive song for Soka.
Speaker 2:It is no comment, it's one of the he said.
Speaker 6:I believe the fifth. No comment on that song. It is one of the they won Roadmarch, but no comment.
Speaker 2:It's one of the ones that got closer to a crossover to yeah, yeah, yeah 100, you can play.
Speaker 3:You can actually play that song in a commercial party because people like the element of action, like doing actions, yeah, and they love that they absolutely love that they do I will continue to play that song. I don't care. If you want to take a knee, take a knee, I don't care, I'll play, I'll just be like I'll go to the side.
Speaker 7:You'll be like no, here we go during the dance to the side. If people want to dance to it, good luck to them.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I'm not a fan that's a song I'm not a fan of.
Speaker 3:That's right and from beginning as well no, I hear it, I hear it, that's fair enough. Fair enough, but yeah, because even dj gel yep he is a booked and busy dj, popular, very popular mix he needs to get booked for crop over. He's always going canada and and tina crop over, he's always going canada and and tina looking for crop over I think they should, but I don't know if, because as a dj you have to choose where you go. So let's say a promoter wants to book him in for crop over.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think he'll be good at meeting but let's say they're offering him a certain amount of money yeah, and then another promoter in canada're offering him a certain amount of money yeah, and then another promoter in Canada is offering him more than what he's being offered in. It's a no-brainer. As a DJ, I'm going to go where the money is.
Speaker 2:But again, that's your bread and butter. This business is not elevating the culture. You know what I mean Exactly. I hear it. Yeah, no, I hear it.
Speaker 3:I'm not saying in general like djs will go to whoever's paying them more at the end of the day yeah, but some people wouldn't, some people. Let's say, for example, I've never in my life dj'd in I don't know st kits yeah, and then around the same time there's like another event that wants to book me and that other event I've dj'd on that event like bare time yeah, exactly but then I really want to go to saint kitts and I really want to dj there yeah I am not going to go with the money on that occasion.
Speaker 3:I'm going to choose saint kitts yeah, that makes sense do what I'm saying because I want the experience. So sometimes you won't do it for the money, you'll do it for the experience it just it all, it all depends.
Speaker 7:Yeah, it depends on the DJ as well.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly, definitely.
Speaker 7:If you're a DJ, you want to elevate the music, you'll do that. If you want to make money, you go by the money, yeah, exactly. Yeah, we need more DJs like you, sharon, oh my God.
Speaker 2:Sorry, oh, my god, sorry, okay, I think it's time To close off this subject. Yes, we did derail a bit, but that's fine. I want to just do a headcount With the final GOAT. Like I know, it's not A simple question, but I just, if you have to name One name, the current GOAT, ahsoka Currents.
Speaker 7:Marshall. Jonti I have to go with my show man I'll go a little rick I'm gonna go with no mushroom that came out of nowhere.
Speaker 3:I'm like what? I was so confused. Have we been in the same conversation? Yeah, I was like no, michelle, michelle.
Speaker 2:But I do agree With the topics here.
Speaker 3:Yes, 100%.
Speaker 2:There's so much for discussion left, like it's not a Easy pick.
Speaker 3:And Kes is definitely a good contender. Yeah, 100%, 100% Because he.
Speaker 2:He's closer to pop. He's closer to pop than Michelle. Yeah, he, yeah, 100%, because he releases hits. He's closer to pop than Marshall is at the moment he releases hits after hit after hit.
Speaker 7:And like pop star status as well. You know Again being hot. No but honestly, here we go. No, but I mean and it sounds superficial, but I mean, if you're like a good looking person making good music, then people will remember you easier.
Speaker 2:With people you mean the other sex basically.
Speaker 3:Whoever is attracted, to you.
Speaker 7:Yeah, come on. We all know this. We all know this. Why are we lying?
Speaker 3:You're crazy.
Speaker 7:I'm not superficial, I promise.
Speaker 2:Okay, and with that we have now our let's say Well, three persons saying Marcia Montano, one saying Leo Rick. I do understand that.
Speaker 6:From a. Yeah, double M is great though. Yeah, but I I understand that answer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think it's time to move on To the next topic. So Our next question Is I understand that answer? Yeah, yeah, and I think it's time to move on to the next topic. So our next question is also, for me at least, a very controversial one, because you can really discuss about is it? Good or bad? And to just say the question has carnival become too commercial?
Speaker 2:and I'll start off with an experience, exactly as you do, exactly Because I like to chat. Yeah, I like to chat. This is an experience I've seen myself, in Grenada, actually, and it got me really thinking. So, first of all, I am not part of the culture as an inheritance person.
Speaker 3:Let's just throw that in there before people start coming for you. No, no, no.
Speaker 2:But I like to be honest, right? So I'm a guest in the culture, obviously, yeah, and I try to adapt myself as much as possible to the culture as I can, and you can decide if I do that enough or not, and if I don't do it enough, you'll let me know, hopefully. Anyway, in grenada, I think it was the, the lights, uh, like the the moss, the monday moss, was it monday?
Speaker 3:with the the glow things. Yeah, the glow sticks. Yeah, that's Monday night, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, midnight, midnight, mass yeah. So it's obviously quite obvious when there's white people In the, in the carnival, in the band. And we saw a group of, I think, americans.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:I remember that. So we saw a group of Americans and what we saw was like they were standing in a circle. They had like cans of beers.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And they like brushed one and started drinking from the side and shouting.
Speaker 4:Like they're Like super American, yeah, like it was spring break or something, yeah, yeah, yeah exactly.
Speaker 6:Like and I was just like even I was like, oh, like, it's a spring break.
Speaker 7:Like it's a spring break.
Speaker 6:Like a spring break, Exactly so you know what I mean so these are paying customers for a carnival, you know.
Speaker 2:It's a tourist-based country sometimes. So I understand they're coming there. I understand it's okay that they want to join. It's fine, but where is the line?
Speaker 1:You know what I?
Speaker 2:mean and I'm not saying that they should be having a cup of rum in their hands, because otherwise, they're not part of the culture, but actually, yeah, yeah, why not?
Speaker 3:No, but do you know what I mean? Drink some rum man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, but you know what?
Speaker 6:I mean.
Speaker 2:So are we going too far sometimes? There was another example that was wildly discussed where I'm from, at least, because we went to Grenada where they play job, and there's a lot of oil involved so my choice there because, okay. So there's a lot of controversial thing in netherlands about blackface. Uh, if people are interested, you can look it up. There's the fifth of december celebrations and it includes a character called swartapete, which translates to black pete, uh, which is basically a white guy, black facing and giving Kids presents.
Speaker 7:Yeah, and it's not just the black face, it's like the curly wig as well.
Speaker 2:The red lipstick.
Speaker 1:And like the golden earrings.
Speaker 2:There's an English version For that as well.
Speaker 3:Oh, gollywog, gollywog. Yeah, it's full on.
Speaker 2:It's not okay and kids get scared. I haven't heard that word in years yeah, and kids get scared. Yeah, it's just not okay. Yeah, it's horrible. That needs to be banned. Oh, yeah, so.
Speaker 7:There's a lot of discussion about that.
Speaker 2:Because obviously it's culture, it's all about culture. Anyway, yeah, let's not have that discussion here. No, no, look it up on Wikipedia or something. There is a lot. I do have an opinion about it and in favour of this thing.
Speaker 5:So when I was in Grenada, I chose not to have oil on myself because I.
Speaker 2:You know it's a bit weird to go, you know, abroad and get oil on my face and then come home and say, no, you can't do that, like what it's not the same but yeah but I know just to get this off yeah it's not the same, but yeah, no to avoid the controversy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, to avoid the controversy.
Speaker 2:Exactly so. You know, these are the choices that I, at least try to be thinking about, but I'm also expecting all people to do that Because I did see a lot of people getting oil on their skin.
Speaker 2:And again there's nothing wrong with that, because I do agree. I even talked to people from Grenada and said that's completely different. Do them all Act normal, just get it done. But no, I choose not to. But you know, these are the things. These are the things like where is it becoming too commercial and it's not, you know, for the benefit of the culture anymore?
Speaker 6:I don't think it's getting commercial, I think it's getting expensive. That's another thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, prices are rising, yeah.
Speaker 6:Feds.
Speaker 2:I'm seeing 200 US and housing and a car to drive.
Speaker 3:That's literally what it should include yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6:I'm seeing costumes male costumes 500 pounds, 600 pounds and I'm like the male costumes are nothing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You get shorts and bits of gems.
Speaker 6:Why is it?
Speaker 3:500 pounds. That's insane. That's so fucked.
Speaker 2:Literally Bits of gems. Why is it £500? That's insane, that's so fake Literally. But then the other thing is People gossip Also. Sometimes nothing, they're just string wires.
Speaker 6:I know it's 1k for something, but at least they get the whole outfit. They got the wings. They got the individual section so I was like cool A guy Shorts, that's it and a couple of Things on your arm and legs, £500 I'm.
Speaker 7:Your arm and legs, 500 pounds I'm like, okay, and you're gonna lose those arm things within 10 minutes, these things irritate my skin yeah I just yeah, throw them away, yeah, yeah same
Speaker 6:I'll just I'll pay 500 pounds for shorts yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 7:That's crazy and most of them.
Speaker 6:I've got a hydration pack, so I'm not even going to the drinks truck. Oh no, you need to get your money's worth if you're paying that much ramble.
Speaker 3:Get your money's worth yeah.
Speaker 7:Next to the drink truck yeah, so exactly get your money's worth.
Speaker 6:Yeah, next to the drink truck. Yeah, so exactly. So yeah, I think carnival's getting expensive more than it's getting commercial to the market yeah.
Speaker 3:So the question is is carnival more about making money than it is about the culture? Love it.
Speaker 7:I think that's the angle that you were going for yeah.
Speaker 3:So what do you think about that? Do you think it's just now about? Because back in the day I feel that it was about the culture, like celebrating our culture, etc. But is it now Literally more about Making money as opposed?
Speaker 6:to the culture. It's a little bit of both, because I can't just say everyone's Trying to make money, but there are people Trying to make money, so there's certain. I'm trying to think the most expensive fetal Went to probably in Trinidad, but Trinidad's known for expensive. Fets, so I'm not gonna complain about that, but it's just like. Obviously some people do complain. They always say I'll never go to Trinidad, but if you plan to go there, don't complain about how expensive the FETs are, because you know they've got the most expensive.
Speaker 2:FETs. Let me ask you this then you're hearing um that uh, what's your favorite uh band in carbidos? What mass?
Speaker 6:band.
Speaker 3:Yeah, aura, okay good example is not a cheap band, oh god no.
Speaker 2:But let's say ara is organizing a section specifically for foreigners, uh, that are paying more money to get more privileges or whatever, like they pay a thousand uh quits to get a private drink truck with, uh, all kinds of american drinks. I don't know, I'm just saying some, yeah you know, commercial thing would that be? Would you look at that and think like all right, cool, that's fine, that's part of what we're doing? Or would you be like why is this necessary? Like why is this a thing?
Speaker 6:I would have a massive issue I would understand it because of tourism.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's money so profit over culture.
Speaker 6:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 6:They're still preserving the culture, but people are trying to make money. It's hard out here.
Speaker 3:I hear that yeah, I think that's exploitation though.
Speaker 2:Because you're exploiting the tourists that have come to celebrate the culture. They choose to pay it. I hear it, and they might not have chosen to celebrate it, but let's say, okay, better example base, uh sandy beach, was the, the, the big hotel, uh chain in barbados, again sandy lane, sandy lane, so big hotel chain.
Speaker 2:Let's say they get their own band in uh crop over just for the tourists that are visiting at that time. They get an offer like like oh, you want to join, Just pay 400. You get them on the bus, we just drop you there and you just do a bit of walk like 10 minutes or not 10 minutes, like a two mile part of it, and then you go back to the hotel like an excursion you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like these people know, nothing about Soka, but that was an exc, but wait are they also in the band then? Yeah.
Speaker 7:They have a full band, yeah they have their own band. They're not just in a coach.
Speaker 2:They're DJs. So this is a scenario, right? Dj will just play some American music, just in case. No, no, no, you've got to play.
Speaker 6:Sokka. That's what I'm saying. That's dead. Yeah, you've got to play Sokka, that's dead.
Speaker 7:I'm in my feathers, even when they play, when they play too much non-bayesian so far, get annoyed. Yeah, you're not gonna play so card. No, no one could do my day so. And also then it has nothing to do with the culture anymore, no, no but this is like the line I'm trying to find.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like, when is making money better than the culture? You know what? What's the line of this, and I agree with you, by the way. I'm just like putting in scenarios yeah, yeah, reactions but like I understand what you're saying. So basically what you're saying is music is the most important part of Carnival. So that is like the line you cannot change. You cannot have a dancehall section, you cannot have there's other rules.
Speaker 6:There's not kind of not rules, but there's certain things you can't do. But they kind of bend the rules. Like, obviously our GV is called 4 Day Morning, obviously that's in town, bridgetown but now they've got private jumps. Yeah, good example, love it. No, but the thing is town's dangerous. So I understand the private jumps, yeah, even me. This year I'm jumping for native private jumps yeah, I've had enough. Well, I love town, but I've got to go native.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I love town, but yeah, it's just getting too much, Because obviously we've been there where you get people just storming the band jumping in and I find it so annoying.
Speaker 2:That's disrespectful.
Speaker 5:I've paid 100 US, that's what I'm saying, and then you're just getting drinks for free, because you know the bartender yeah, that's dead, yep, that's dead.
Speaker 3:So I understand the private jumps I've never done. I'm considering doing native music.
Speaker 6:It's basically weeting at 4Day, yeah.
Speaker 3:And I enjoy weeting, yeah, so.
Speaker 2:So that's actually funny, because now we're saying actually it's not because it's threatening the culture of 4Day. Right, 4day has always been yeah, because when it introduces private jobs people will get.
Speaker 6:It will be unhappy, but then they understand, because town can be a little bit dangerous for 4 Day.
Speaker 2:What would happen if all the bands would do private jumps and there's no town 4 Day anymore?
Speaker 6:no, they have to have, it has to be entitled.
Speaker 2:There has to be a there has to be 4 Day. What if nobody wants?
Speaker 3:to do it anymore.
Speaker 2:What if everybody wants to do a private jump somewhere?
Speaker 6:then that's going to ruin the whole yeah 4 Day yeah, that's when it of a problem, because there's more each year. There's more bands that are doing a private job, so you're going to take away Exactly.
Speaker 2:So I think part of the reason is that because of these fuckeries if I may say so.
Speaker 5:Last year I decided.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to be in the band anymore because, like I literally had to wait in line of people not buying a ticket to get a drink. Like that's not what I paid money for that's insane.
Speaker 5:yeah, yeah, um, but so the problem is not like outside culture.
Speaker 3:It's inside culture. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:So if you're the locals, yeah yeah, but the lines were too short, so you know too many people in the band so if they, reduce the amount of people in the bands. Maybe there's a maximum amount of it many amount of people holding lines?
Speaker 2:I don't know rules.
Speaker 6:You're always gonna get stormers wherever you go, but there's a certain point too much. Yeah, like we got stormed from the beginning. Yeah, yeah, like last year four day, our band got in storm from the beginning. Yeah yeah, exactly I'm like you're kidding me, not even at the end at the beginning.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's mad, it was too crowded.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, it was way too crowded, yeah, way too crowded exactly.
Speaker 6:I was like nah, good, that's just. I was like nah, that's just, how's my band getting invaded right at the beginning it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3:I think they need better security, they need more security way more because everyone goes for that band because they know it's easy, because they see 3000 people it's easy to invade that band yeah makes sense okay, I think we'll leave it at this because our time is running short, so um, thank you very much for your opinions this has been very, very good for us
Speaker 2:yes, yes, I hope the people at home also enjoyed it and they. If you have an opinion, be sure to share it. We'll listen to it. We've actually we've had trouble lately with answering all the comments on our podcast, but we will find time to answer the comments. So, um, you know, be sure to comment. And um, I just want to thank our guests. Thank you very much for coming over.
Speaker 3:Thank you for inviting me. Yeah, it's been a pleasure. We gotta do this more often.
Speaker 2:100 yeah, totally like if you fly me back to london I am broke, I can't fly, yeah, I can't even fly myself okay, next episode of paris. Next episode in paris? Yeah, why not? How are we getting to paris? Who's paying for us? Eurostar? Who's paying for us? Eurostar goes to rotterdam and we're there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, just come to rotterdam, that makes more sense. All right, thanks again guys. Yes, thank you, and with that we're gonna go back to the studio. Just count your rather down.
Speaker 2:That makes more sense. All right, thanks again, guys.
Speaker 7:Yes, Thank you.
Speaker 2:And with that we're going to go back to the studio. This is Soca Chronicles. And we are back in the digital studio instead of the real life studio. We hope you enjoyed that little discussion. There was much more to discuss and we might do that in the future, of course. If you have an opinion about what we said, feel free to share it, because we want to hear from you guys.
Speaker 2:So for sure you know, look at us, look up, just check our instagram and leave a comment or leave a post or whatever. Just tag us in something and uh, yeah we'll be sure to reach back to you and, who knows, we might be able to discuss your comments in our next episode. For sure, and I think we will keep it short because we've had a very long episode. So, sjarns, anything you want to add to that.
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Speaker 2:Dope. Then we want to thank you for listening. We're going to have a quick listen to what our dear friend Nitro always says.
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